tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4332265519221767918.post5235604794762801539..comments2023-10-20T05:18:24.339-07:00Comments on OC Blue Philosopher: Damn! Boggled again!Roy Bauerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4332265519221767918.post-58077160641642798272008-08-31T19:26:00.000-07:002008-08-31T19:26:00.000-07:00[If there is a reason to suppose that one group ex...[If there is a reason to suppose that one group experienced stress, isn't it reasonable to suppose that the other group equally experienced stress?]<BR/><BR/>I definitely think that it is probable that both groups were exposed to the same stressors, but one group was exposed to what I am suggesting is a DEstressor. That DEstressor is the information that you are doing the same job and getting more benefit than you once thought.<BR/><BR/>Does this make sense?Bohrsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688638389383476726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4332265519221767918.post-82784657521256532222008-08-31T00:26:00.000-07:002008-08-31T00:26:00.000-07:00Bohrstein: agreed, some forms of work, though form...Bohrstein: agreed, some forms of work, though forms of exercise, are also accompanied by stress, and stress is likely unhealthy.<BR/><BR/>Fair enough, but what does this have to do with the present case? Two groups of about forty hotel workers participated in the test. If there is a reason to suppose that one group experienced stress, isn't it reasonable to suppose that the other group equally experienced stress? (Further, the experimenters would be stunningly incompetent if they did not notice some systematic difference in stress level between the two groups.)<BR/><BR/>So I don't get your point about stress as applied to this case. No doubt these hotel workers do experience some significant level of stress (surly bosses, etc.). But, evidently, that did not prevent the one group from experiencing improvement in their health owing, evidently, to their recognition that their work routinely involved "healthy exercise."Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4332265519221767918.post-7835858508630777992008-08-30T16:28:00.000-07:002008-08-30T16:28:00.000-07:00I agree Chunk, being boggled is a fun state to be ...I agree Chunk, being boggled is a fun state to be in. It's fun to have a puzzle, or to speculate freely within reason... hell sometimes it's fun to just let the imagination wander.<BR/><BR/>Regarding the "happy thoughts" bit though, I wonder about <I>stress</I>. Working jobs that are physically demanding, especially if you don't like it, can make you feel "stressed out." Couple this with low pay and other life problems and I would bet the body is in a state of "fight or flight" (especially if you're dealing with stupid people).<BR/>With as little of this subject that I know, I believe that different people respond to this in different ways. Some people's bodies will start craving and storing energy in a crazy urgency, and other people's bodies will begin craving more and more energy and using it all. <BR/>If this is true, then it might make sense that a group of people doing the same job (one group seeing a clear benefit, and the other not) would get different results.Bohrsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688638389383476726noreply@blogger.com